Outlier TV Episode with Joe Donne Co-Founder of Big Blue Fiji
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Andrew McCombe:
Hey guys, Andrew McCombe here from Outlier TV. In this week’s episode, we’re in the beautiful, sacred islands in Fiji, and I’m going to be interviewing Joe Donne. He’s the co-founder of ‘Big blue Fiji’. One of Fiji’s only livable dive charter yacht. Okay, let’s go and meet Joe.
Joe. Welcome to Outlier. (Thanks.)
We’re in the middle of the Pacific ocean, the beautiful sacred islands, just off the mainland of Fiji, the birthplace of Fiji, in fact, and we’ve just spent the night on your beautiful livable dive charter yacht.
It hasn’t always been like that, though. Has it? You have an amazing business. It gets to afford you to be around this beautiful Aqua environment. Where did it all start?
Joe Donne:
It started with a dream a long time ago, around about 15 years ago, we wanted to design, build, and create our own kind of luxury liveaboard charter that did a little bit of everything, from seeing a lot of different charters, all around the world and working on different boats and different dive operations, kind of combining all of the best bits of everything and creating this.
Andrew McCombe:
Have you always been into the sailing life, or were you a land lover? How did it begin?
Joe Donne:
Always lived right on the water. Since I was yay big, all of my family have always been involved in boats in some way, boat builders and ship rights and rigors, boat captains, and ship pilots. So we’ve always been surrounded by the ocean and some kind of free dive, spearfishing, fishing, scuba diving. So yeah, my whole life I’ve been surrounded by it.
Andrew McCombe:
Where were you born?
Joe Donne:
I was born in the Southwest of England in Devon, so a real coastal time around one of the biggest naval bases in the UK. So yeah, always just a couple of steps away from jumping in the water.
Andrew McCombe:
And when did you leave there and why did you leave?
Joe Donne:
I left when I was about 18 years old, left to go away just to do kind of a gap here and go for a journey around Australia, ended up in the Whitsunday islands, stayed there for a couple of years, ended up becoming a dive instructor there. And that’s where the dream began really. With hanging out and all of the beautiful sailing boats, all of the maxi fleet and working on all the liveaboards there and doing a lot of diving out of the Whitsundays.
So, I mean, at 18 years old, leaving the Southwest of England and going and living in Whitsundays was pretty spectacular. And that’s where the love began.
Andrew McCombe:
So the intention initially was yachting, sailing, but then soon migrated to diving, or was it a combination of what happened from say the Whitsundays?
Joe Donne:
Yeah, absolutely. I mean, why choose? Like there’s no reason why you have to do one or the other, why not do everything?
I always loved the sailing, scuba diving, and free diving and snorkeling. How can you not when you’re in the tropics, and you’ve got that myriad of spectacular colors and coral and reef life and big stuff, manta sharks, dolphins, whales, it’s pretty hard to miss out on all of that stuff.
You’re surrounded by it all day. So why not jump in.
Andrew McCombe:
And so Whitsundays to where?
Joe Donne:
I moved over to Thailand for a little bit around the East coast of Thailand, around Ko Tao. Most dive instructors hung around there for a little while and then moved over and worked around the Mediterranean and Caribbean on some superyachts. (Some pretty interesting stories.) Yeah, it was good fun. Not many for the camera, but there were lots of good stories along the way.
Andrew McCombe:
So just tell us about the superyacht lifestyle. How does that work?
Joe Donne:
It was good. It was great fun. We had a great crew. It was good exploration. We got to travel a lot and got to see a lot of new places, and it was good times and lots of toys and stuff to play on.
Andrew McCombe:
Were you looking after clients or just owners of boats?
Joe Donne:
We were on a, like privately owned vessels. So we just looked after the owners whenever they come to town and some of their friends. We weren’t taking charters at that time.
Andrew McCombe:
And then you were back in Fiji. So how did you get to Fiji?
Joe Donne:
Fiji was pretty random for me. I was just on a random world trip and stumbled across Fiji. One of my old bosses from the Airlie Beach actually had some work here. So ended up a two-week trip, turned into a six-month trip, and it’s turned into a 12-year trip, but yeah, one of my favorite places in the world. Spectacular.
Andrew McCombe:
So when you first came, where did you start?
Joe Donne:
I was working around Mamanuca, the group of islands, some small islands, sea Islands, bounty Islands, mystery islands, lots of different places. And then moved up to the Laucala group of islands. Spectacular, amazing diving, snorkeling, manta rays for six months of the year.
Andrew McCombe:
And you were the main dive instructor up there?
Joe Donne:
Yes. I was the dive manager of the resort for a roundabout 10 years in the end.
Andrew McCombe:
And so diving with manta rays in its own Is an outlier experience. Isn’t it? Cause I believe that you can only do that in a couple of places around the world. Is that right from a resort perspective?
Joe Donne:
Yeah, absolutely. It’s spectacular. There are a few different places in Fiji where we get the Mantas. Spectacular. I mean, what do you say about manta rays? They’re majestic, giant, up to seven meters across the wings, cruising along, swimming with a manta ray is a once in a lifetime experience.
Andrew McCombe:
And you then migrate it to like, you did a lot of scuba, but you now move to freediving?
Joe Donne:
Not necessarily. I’ve always had a love for both, growing up in the Southwest of England, the water’s bitterly cold through winter, but we have great spearfishing and everything like that. So we used to love going out on weekends and trying to get a feed for the weekend, grab a few things to check on the barbie on the beach. There’s nothing better than that.
Andrew McCombe:
And so you’re 12 years at Manta-Ray, obviously, the idea you’ve always had, from a young fellow, was starting to percolate and bubble up. What made you take the jump?
Joe Donne:
We were just waiting for the right time to actually start the business with saving a little bit of cash because obviously it’s not a cheap venture to start. Got to the point where I thought that it was feasible for us to put an offer in on a boat, not expecting the owner to accept the offer. And he did.
And kind of a baptism of fire at that point, we were locked in at that stage and not unprepared because there was so much time to actually plan what we were going to do. But the scary part was just getting people to the boat. Yes, that was the scary part at the beginning.
Andrew McCombe:
So just take us back. So you got the offer, it was approved, and it wasn’t a Fiji based boat, was it?
Joe Donne:
No, it wasn’t. The boat was actually based in Indonesia; it was privately owned. So I flew to Indonesia to take a look, and everything was great. So the offer was accepted, and the ball started rolling pretty quickly at that point and quickly than expected. So we had to get the boat from Indonesia down to Fiji.
It was a rough time of year. It was coming towards cyclone season. We tried to get the boat here reasonably quickly, but things transpired, and we had a few problems along the way and hit some bad weather. So it took a little bit longer than expected, but it was, I suppose you would call it an adventure.
Andrew McCombe:
So tell us about that. What was happening?
Joe Donne:
I couldn’t leave at the time because I was actually working at Manta Ray (Island) still. I asked my dad to come over from England, with a friend of his. He came over to Indonesia and picked up the boat at the time.
We didn’t realize when and the broker never told us at the time when the boat was signed over; we actually needed to leave the country pretty quickly, just to do with the sale of the boat.
So my father had left at gunpoint at that point from Indonesia and left straight to Darwin, where he got arrested again in Darwin. It’s a pretty dodgy area to travel from Indonesia to Darwin, which is, obviously, with a lot of immigration problems and everything.
So the second time he got arrested in the second country after leaving. Then he was obviously released because there was no problem. They then moved up to Thursday Island and went around the top of Australia and across the PNG.
And then, from PNG to the Solomon Islands, my father then had to go home before my mother killed him. And we jumped on the boat, a friend of mine and myself, went to the Solomon Islands and down from the Solomons, Vanuatu, and then to Fiji, which was good, fun along the way. Lots of good fishing, lots of good fish.
Andrew McCombe:
How many nautical miles?
Joe Donne:
It’s about 5,000 nautical miles.
Andrew McCombe:
And how long did it take?
Joe Donne:
It took us four months in the end. Cause we were going into the wind a lot. we hit some pretty rough weather. (You get seasick?) No, never got seasick, but luckily, because it got pretty rough at some point.
Andrew McCombe:
So what would be some of the biggest waves that you’re experiencing out there?
Joe Donne:
We would take in there about a five, six meters swell at some points. We got into around about 55, 60 knots, a wind. So yeah, it was pretty rough—one of the best experiences. We’ve seen some of the big five, six-meter rolling swell going past. And they were above the level of the flybridge on top of the boat, of the top deck, of the wheelhouse.
And we were looking up at like 50, 60 kilos of Yellowfin tunas in, and going through waves above us. It was pretty spectacular. And so a massive journey to get the boat here.
Andrew McCombe:
Once it’s here in Fiji, what happens from there?
Joe Donne:
Once he got here, there was a lot of paperwork, obviously that all got sorted reasonably quickly. And then off we go out of the ground, designing and building custom built charters. Every single day, which is the most exciting part, building a charter for someone specifically to their needs, whether it’s scuba diving, surfing some of the best waves in the world, whatever they want to do, if they want to hike up to the top of mountains if they want to do paddleboard yoga, if they want to do wakeboarding, water skiing, biscuit riding, they want to catch a Marlin, Yellowfin tuna, anything, spear fish, some Dogtooth tuna, ticking bucket list things off of their list. It’s a spectacular spot in the world that you can pretty much do any of that.
Andrew McCombe:
So if it’s anything water, you can do it.
Joe Donne:
Absolutely. Fiji is so diverse. Down South, we have some of the best waves in the world, some of the best soft coral and scuba diving in the world. Then around Namena some of the best, big stuff, hammerheads and dolphins and whales and sharks. And then around this side, bull and tiger shark feeds. You’ve got everything, everything in Fiji.
Andrew McCombe:
And so the boats out here, you live on the boat the entire time, or you can do day charters or?
Joe Donne:
Yeah, we do anything, from a day charter or a sunset cruise or a wedding party to however long you want to go. We can go on an exploration for a month to some of Fiji’s furthest reaches that are completely untouched and completely undiscovered. As you can see right now, we’re in a spot where we’re the only people here; there’s no one within 20 miles of us right now.
Andrew McCombe:
How do you go in such close quarters with people? Cause obviously they’re your clients. You’ve got to have a separation, but over time you’re pretty on top of each other.
Joe Donne:
Yeah, it’s great. It’s like a little family. I mean, you wake up together, you have fun all day. It’s pretty busy days. I mean you can do as much or as little as you like if you want to just sit on the bowel or on your own private little beach and read a book all day. Absolutely. If you want to go, go. You want to swim with manta rays, get out, go for a scuba diving, dive with sharks, go for a surf, come back, and go for a hike. You can do as much or as little as you like, but hanging out with the guests is awesome. At the end of the day, have a nice little debrief and a nice cold Fiji golden.
Andrew McCombe:
And the best feedback you’ve received from the clients.
Joe Donne:
The feedback has always been good from the clients. They’re not really clients. We don’t really have like clients. They’re mates. By the end of the charter, they’re mates, we’ve already planned our next three or four holidays knowing and hanging out with our previous charter guests. Because by the time people leave, they’re best of mates, you’ve spent a lot of time together and done some pretty cool stuff together, memories that last a lifetime, you know?
Andrew McCombe:
So I guess, the benefit I see in it too, it’s a floating hotel, really, Isn’t it? It’s got everything that a hotel has, but you’re mobile, which is pretty rare.
Joe Donne:
Absolutely. You get the rare opportunity to see lots of different places and only unpack your bag ones. So it’s perfect.
Andrew McCombe:
Yeah. Well, it beats cause in a hotel you’ve got to go out every time, whereas you’re going with the boat and then on the boat, you’ve got an infinite amount of activities to do at the same time.
Joe Donne:
Absolutely. And the journey between places is absolutely part of the trip, you know, hanging out with dolphins, whales, going for a fish. So the journey is actually a big part of what we do as well.
Andrew McCombe:
So if we look at the journey you’ve experienced from saving a young fellow at 18, the first trip to Australia, knowing you wanted to get into the sailing industry to now, and we want to try and help the other potential outliers and entrepreneurs out there. What is sort of the main issues, I guess, or struggles you had initially in that process? Were you always clear that you were going to be in the yachting space or?
Joe Donne:
I think, just surround yourself with good people and good mates like this. This was not just my baby. It was three friends. So myself, my girlfriend, and one of my best mates.
So it was all born from an idea that I thought of a long time ago. But putting that into practice and into play came from the work of all three of us. It was a whole lot of work and a whole lot of stress at the start.
Still, doing it with mates, it can test friendships to the limit obviously, but once it’s all out of the ground. You’re away, it’s spectacular, and you’ll get to live the life together. So yeah, it’s awesome. Couldn’t have done it without them. Absolutely. Obviously wanting to kill them at the start.
I’m sure they wanted to kill me. I would guarantee they wanted to kill me. But once we got to the point where it’s floating, literally, yeah. It’s been a great adventure.
Andrew McCombe:
Just on that, what are sort of the issues you experienced with mites, trying to start out as a business?
Joe Donne:
Just the stresses of setting up a business, it would happen anywhere in the world, just the general day to day stresses of long hours and a lot of stress, obviously coming from financial difficulties and paperwork and the daily grind of just trying to set up and get out of the grind. So you can start enjoying it.
Andrew McCombe:
And how did you deal with it?
Joe Donne:
Having a beer, pretty much, the end of the day, just forget about work, put it all down and go down to the local pub, have a couple of jars and watch the sun go down and figure out that it’s not that bad yet.
Andrew McCombe:
Did it turn your appreciation more than stress when you’re in that scenario? Or did you actually talk about things or?
Joe Donne:
We did talk about things, and as I say, we wanted to kill each other at certain moments, but yeah, we got through it. And now we’re just cruising along and really, really enjoying it again now. I mean, what’s better. I mean, you sat out here, and you’ve jumped a bit for 15 years, and now you get to design, plan, and execute some spectacular trips and give people the time of their life.
The job satisfaction is amazing. When people step foot on the boat, you take them for their first dive; you swim with Manta rays, catch their first fish, their last fish, their 500th fish. It doesn’t matter. They’re in a spectacular spot. You crack open an icy cold beer at the end of the day.
Andrew McCombe:
Even last night, when we were watching the stars, and we had the beautiful bonfire and the yachts in the background, it just can’t get much better. And obviously, where we are, you know, we’re in the middle of the Pacific ocean, and we’re having the time of our life.
Joe Donne:
Absolutely. It doesn’t get much better than this. Fiji’s the perfect cruising place. There’s nearly an Island for every day of the year and white sandy beaches, and crystal clear water and beautiful coral reefs. It doesn’t get much better than that.
Andrew McCombe:
What’s interesting too, because you’re very unique in the fact that you’re the one of the only a couple of actual livable dive charters in Fiji. Whereas you think it’s the perfect environment for it.
Joe Donne:
There are a couple of larger charter boats in Fiji that cruise out through the islands, but as a small niche, dive operation, absolutely. We’re one of the only ones in the entire country. We can take a small family on board. Not only can you dive, but you can also get certified on boards. You can do open water courses, advanced courses, rescue courses. And we look after you; you get your own dive instructor for your whole trip, nice private dives, no one else in your group.
It’s a great way to personalize the service and personalize the experience, which is, I mean, more and more what people want to do these days.
Andrew McCombe:
So speaking of a lifetime, we look back at the start of your journey, and originally you started working for others. Now you’re working for yourself. Would you recommend that’s a good way for people if they do have a vision to, I guess essentially get paid to learn first before, just like if you were to start, have started big blue Fiji at the start versus having gone through what you know to get here now, what would the difference have been?
Joe Donne:
The difference would have been massive. The company that we’ve designed and built now, there had to be a massive length of experience and obviously good and bad experiences. You have to go through the good and the bad to realize what you want to create. So that just takes a while, and you learn from that, and you continually learn from it.
I mean, you learn every day from every situation, especially on the ocean and around different weather conditions, tides, and currents. So yeah, it’s been a constant learning curve. I wouldn’t change a thing. I think the timing for us was perfect. Everyone brought something different to the plate from myself and my girlfriend, my best mate.
So we all brought a different kind of field or an area of operation to the business. So it was the perfect cocktail. And ‘Big Blue Fiji’ is the finished product of that cocktail.
Andrew McCombe:
And just talking of roles, like how do you allocate roles when there’s more than one person in an organization?
Joe Donne:
I normally leave that to the misses to be fair, to keep me out of trouble. But now everybody has an individual role. I mean, we all multitask. It’s always good. I believe that when you’re setting up a business or a company, everyone has knowledge of everything. So it’s good for everyone to have the knowledge of the accountancy and from the numbers to the figures and everything throughout every level of the business, whether it’s safety certificates and insurances and everything from bottom to top.
Andrew McCombe:
And then at that point, once everyone has a general or a broad knowledge, do you then separate into like the dive instructor, Laura might be the chef, or how does it work from there?
Joe Donne:
We all take on roles, and we all joke about it because whenever someone tries to get involved in something else, everyone says, “it’s not my department.” It is a famous thing with us at the moment. But it’s more of just a joke and a game. We all get involved in everything. We all try and help where we can because it can be stressful.
The initial setup is absolutely the most stressful part. As soon as you start to recover and start to get all of your operational staff in place, and you get a structure, a lot of pressure is alleviated at that point, and it starts to become a lot more fun.
Andrew McCombe:
And then everyone starts blowing a bit more cause they’ve got their own jobs to do.
Joe Donne:
Yeah. I mean, it’d be like any business set up as soon as you start to have procedures in place and you start to have a structure to what you’re doing, everything becomes a lot easier. And that just comes over time and experience and ironing out a few creases and away you go.
Andrew McCombe:
What would you say your biggest flow is?
Joe Donne:
Our biggest flow is just the three of us; we all get along really, really well. And I think that reflects really well through our business. Our business is all about fun, enjoyment, travel, excitement. So we love it. And we’ll guarantee that y’all gonna feed off of that and love it too. I mean, we love what we do. We wouldn’t be doing it if we didn’t, and we absolutely love giving people the experience of a lifetime.
I mean, the job satisfaction from what we do is absolutely spectacular. We managed to do something at a young age where we absolutely love doing what we do from start to finish, from designing the trips to the day that they step on board, giving them a spectacular environment and a spectacular, safe trip. And the moment they step off, they’re mates forever.
Andrew McCombe:
For the young Outliers out there about to embark on an entrepreneurial journey, how important is passion?
Joe Donne:
Absolutely. The passion has to be there because you’re going to go through a lot of hard times, and that’s what’s going to get you across the line.
If you’re not passionate about what you do, it’s very easy to hang up your boots, move on, turn you back on it, and move on to something else. You know, if you’re not passionate and don’t have the drive to do what you want to do, it’s very hard to get through the tough times. (It’s hard not to be passionate about this, though. Isn’t it?) Absolutely.
We’re in a spectacular spot and doing spectacular activities and cruising through the islands.
Andrew McCombe:
Do you find it never gets an old hat and you get kind of used to it and a bit style or is it every day different.
Joe Donne:
That’s the beauty of what we do. And we didn’t want to create something that was generic. So we leave on a Monday, we come back on a Sunday, and this is our charter. So everything we do is completely custom built. Whether you want to do a freediving course, a diving course, go spearfishing, diving, surf some of the best waves in Fiji, we build a charter for you. And then we deliver that charter.
So we go back and forth everything from the drinks you want to drink to the food you want to eat. So we create the menus and everything. So every single charter is varied, whether it’s a day trip or an overnight trip or two and a half weeks through the farthest reaches of Fiji. So everything is completely tailor-made.
And we did it that way so it would also give you the best possible experience you can have. And also it’s very varied for us throughout. So it keeps your mind active, and it keeps the juices flowing for every single charter.
Andrew McCombe:
Well, it would be exciting, wouldn’t it? Because every charter is going to be different for you guys as well.
Joe Donne:
Absolutely. It’s so much fun in the planning stages, and it’s exploration a lot of the time for us going to different places and new little tiny, hidden beaches and archipelagos.
Andrew McCombe:
So, if you look at the sailing concept, where you’re using a natural force called the wind, and you’re tacking to get to a destination. It requires a fair bit of adaptability, doesn’t it? And obviously learning as you’re going. So if you look at your journey from start to now, what’s the biggest learnings that you’ve had along the way?
Joe Donne:
There have been lots of areas where we’ve had to adapt and learn. Mainly with the initial setup of the business. I mean, we were very new to a setup of a business. So it was very much a baptism of fire. When we cruised into the paperwork structure and the amount of hoops you have to jump through, for the setup of the initial business. We always knew our product was there and exactly what we wanted to deliver.
Andrew McCombe:
How did you know that, was it a gut instinct thing or it was somewhere else.
Joe Donne:
It’s just a lifetime of living and working in the tourism industry and listening to people on what they want and what they don’t want and areas that could have been improved. So a lifetime of all of us living in the tourism industry and just learning and adapting a different kind of aspects of what everybody wants and delivering spectacular custom-built unique charters.
Andrew McCombe:
So when you look back at the 18-year-old, Joe, who’s just embarking on a whole new adventure, knowing what you know now, what advice would you have for him?
Joe Donne:
I probably wouldn’t give any advice at the moment. And just because you kind of learn and adapt throughout your life to reach a point where you want to design and build something spectacular. Right? So all of the experiences I had from the age of 18 until now, for all of us has brought us to this point.
So I love my life. I love what we’re doing. So I wouldn’t change a thing at this point. I would just let it roll along, create those good times and good experiences, meet new people, and have a smile on your face, have fun and get through it.
Andrew McCombe:
Just for some of the guys out there who may be struggling, you know, business doesn’t feel like it’s flowing or they don’t even know what they want to do with their life. What would you say to them?
Joe Donne:
Just don’t put too much pressure on yourself. When you’re at school or when you leave school and your business or your, whatever, they call them nowadays, your career counselor comes up. Nobody really tells you about the spectacular things in life. You know, nobody tells you, you can own a boat and cruise around the islands and scuba diving and spearfishing and fishing every day. It’s lawyers, accountants, and engineers.
And I’m not saying that that’s a bad thing. It’s a spectacular career, and it’s awesome, but you can do whatever you like. You don’t have to listen to anyone else. If you have a dream and a passion for something, then go for it. You know, it’s better to be laid on your death bed, saying you gave it a crack then saying, I wish I did it right.
Andrew McCombe:
Or you’d be missing out on this. Wouldn’t you? (Absolutely) Could you see yourself as an accountant?
Joe Donne:
Not anymore. No. Well, number one, I’m not very good with numbers. And number two, I don’t do well in an office.
Andrew McCombe:
How important is fun when it comes to business and life and actually getting results?
Joe Donne:
I think it’s everything for us in our walk of life here. But I think, you know, as long as you’re having fun, you’ll never work a day in your life, right? So for us, luckily, our business is completely centered around having fun and having a smile on your face and enjoying yourself.
And luckily, we’ve built a business that we can do exactly that. So we have a lot of fun. Every single day.
Andrew McCombe:
Do you feel you have to work hard to make money?
Joe Donne:
Not really. Like at the start, yes, absolutely. It’s a grind. It’s always going to be a grind at the start. You’re going to have to get through a hard time. It’s going to be rough at the start. You’re going to have sleepless nights. You’re going to have stressful days. It’s going to happen. There’s no way in the world you’re ever going to set up a business overnight and be stress-free with millions of dollars rolling into the bank.
You have to do the hard yards and go through that stress. I know it doesn’t look like it. Sitting on this little beach in the middle of nowhere with the beautiful Island in the background. But yeah, it’s a lot of work at the start, just hanging there, get through it, keep trying, try and keep it together and come out the other side, hopefully smelling the roses.
Andrew McCombe:
Do you see a distinction or differentiation between people who aren’t willing to go the extra yard to get to where they want to go versus say, you guys are other successful entrepreneurs?
Joe Donne:
Not so much here. Actually, a lot of my friends here have said it, you know, small, risky, sometimes businesses, but they followed their passion. They followed their dream and persevered, and they have spectacular unbelievable businesses. And again, giving people the time of their life, you know? So I think it’s just as long as you’re passionate and you have a dream, and you’re willing to put the work in because it’s your passion and your dream. Then if you don’t persevere and you don’t make it through the other end, then at least you tried.
Andrew McCombe:
And how important are now those group of friends or mentors or associates that are also doing business in your journey.
Joe Donne:
They are everything. We have a very small knit community in Fiji. Everybody knows everybody. So everybody helps everybody out. It’s a great little community of everyone, ex-pat community. I mean all of our local guys and everybody agrees that it’s the happiest country in the world, everyone’s happy but genuinely happy. Everybody wants to get to know you. Everybody wants to give you the time of day. It’s just a beautiful, happy community in Fiji. I love everybody here.
Andrew McCombe:
And they share lots of advice with you and help you out where they can. And vice versa?
Joe Donne:
Yes, at the start, everybody was very giving and supportive, which is great because you need that sometimes when you’re going through the hard times. So yeah, everybody was spectacular that surrounded us at the start and really pushed us to get where we are now.
Andrew McCombe:
Cheesy analogy, but really we’re not an Island, Are we? We do need others around us to help us out.
Joe Donne:
Absolutely. We really do. You really need the support of your friends and other businesses around you because, or else you’re all alone, and it can be a pretty difficult dark place sometimes at the initial stages and set up.
Andrew McCombe:
So you mentioned fun earlier. We’re about to go and have a hell of a lot of fun. (Absolutely.) But, before we do, what’s one last piece of advice that you’d have for the viewers that would help them get to where they want to go?
Joe Donne:
Just have a dream, follow that dream. And it might not happen today. It might not happen tomorrow, but down the track, just persevere and try and push through the other side and give it a crack. What have you got to lose? Really? I mean, give it a go. If it doesn’t work out, you gave it a crack.
Andrew McCombe:
Well, Joe, thanks for coming on the show. You’re officially an Outlier.
Joe Donne:
Thanks mate.
Andrew McCombe:
Well, there it is guys. I hope you enjoyed this inspiring Outlier episode with Joe Donne.
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